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  JW message becoming more and more relevant

  by lsw1961 in

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  mans requirements are limited which can be satisfied with a little and tension-free endeavor..

  however man attempts not only to collect but also to grab and amass everything to the excess.

  somehow he feels that he can be happy only when he has in abundance whereas others have nothingwhich seems to be the thread that runs throughout the history.

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  paul from cleveland

  Cofty, no offense intended to you or anyone. I just noticed that isw1961 joined the forum 10 days ago and didn't want him to get discouraged from posting his views. Not everyone has thick skin. A lot of people are sensitive and it takes courage for them to share their beliefs; even on an internet forum.
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  JW message becoming more and more relevant

  by lsw1961 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mans requirements are limited which can be satisfied with a little and tension-free endeavor..

  however man attempts not only to collect but also to grab and amass everything to the excess.

  somehow he feels that he can be happy only when he has in abundance whereas others have nothingwhich seems to be the thread that runs throughout the history.

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  paul from cleveland

  Isw1961, I really don't know what I believe but I do think your initial statement is true. That Jehovah's Witnesses message is becoming more relevant. For me there's not enough information, or maybe I'm just not smart enough, to come to any conclusions or have a conviction about what the ultimate truth will turn out to be.

  I just want to say that I truly admire people who say what they believe even though some people ridicule them.
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  JW message becoming more and more relevant

  by lsw1961 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mans requirements are limited which can be satisfied with a little and tension-free endeavor..

  however man attempts not only to collect but also to grab and amass everything to the excess.

  somehow he feels that he can be happy only when he has in abundance whereas others have nothingwhich seems to be the thread that runs throughout the history.

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  paul from cleveland

  Isw1961, I also think the kingdom message is relevant. The message is basically that we need a different form of government to solve the worlds problems. I think that's true. I mean I look around the world today and in my opinion, the standard of living of each country directly dependent on the form of government they have and the level of corruption there is at the top.

  But even though it's relevant, do you think it's true? Do you think Jehovah's Witnesses are God's organization?
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  JW message becoming more and more relevant

  by lsw1961 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mans requirements are limited which can be satisfied with a little and tension-free endeavor..

  however man attempts not only to collect but also to grab and amass everything to the excess.

  somehow he feels that he can be happy only when he has in abundance whereas others have nothingwhich seems to be the thread that runs throughout the history.

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  paul from cleveland

  Isw1961, that's very interesting. I've always been fascinated with consciousness. I think it's the missing piece of the puzzle.
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  JW message becoming more and more relevant

  by lsw1961 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mans requirements are limited which can be satisfied with a little and tension-free endeavor..

  however man attempts not only to collect but also to grab and amass everything to the excess.

  somehow he feels that he can be happy only when he has in abundance whereas others have nothingwhich seems to be the thread that runs throughout the history.

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  paul from cleveland

  Isw1961, thanks for having the courage to state your view in a crowd of rabid evolutionists. The ultimate truth is probably something we haven't even considered yet. I like to entertain all possibilities.
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  70 inch t.v.'s on stage

  by dbq407 in

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  so the other night we had a resolution to purchase two 70 inch t.v.

  's to hang on either side of the stage.

  and also a smaller t.v.

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  paul from cleveland

  Just don't donate.
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  Why does Antoine Leiris' powerful tribute to his wife, killed by ISIS in the Paris attacks, bother me so much?

  by nicolaou in

  1. social
  2. current

  here is the translation of monsieur leiris' words;.

  friday night, you took an exceptional life - the love of my life, the mother of my son - but you will not have my hatred.

  i don't know who you are and i don't want to know, you are dead souls.

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  paul from cleveland

  His words and thoughts are beautiful and the ideal response.

  Most likely he doesn't completely feel this way yet but aspires to.
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  Is it true? Heard a rumor WT postphones Disfellowshipping until further notice!!??

  by Olivia Wilde in

  1. watchtower
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  i am not sure if it's true but i heard from a good source that wt has given instructions to elders to postponed disfellowshipping members from wrong doing/gross sin until further instructions given by headquarters.

  i heard some jws were just reproved either privately or publically.

  has anyone else heard anything like this recently?

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  paul from cleveland

  I could see them gradually turning disfellowshipping into an unwritten rule to reduce litigation. The Watchtower's expectations don't have to be spelled out to be quietly enforced through peer pressure. Aren't weaker members already 'semi-shunned'?

  Also, even if they did this, there wouldn't be a clear explanation or announcement of "no more shunning" that would shock people to their senses. There would most likely be a convoluted legalese "refinement" of their understanding, written by the legal department, that no one would fully understand or be able to explain. Leaving the door open for further "refinement" in the future. Similar to the overlapping generations explanation.
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  Samuel Herd's statement about donations and Cialdini's social proof

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
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  samuel herd made a statement a few weeks ago about halting construction work, laying off bethel workers and reducing printing output: severe cutbacks all round.

  he said, like the head of a household, the gb has to make sure the organisation is living within its means.

  but he added a very careful phrase, something like: "be assured brothers these measures have not been taken as a result of any lack of financial support on your part.

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  paul from cleveland

  Yes, I think that's true. Also, I think it's human nature to want to live up to a good reputation.
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  Letter to be read at meeting this week about the downsize

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

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  a family member who is a bethelite informed me today that there is a letter to be read soon ( this week or next) concerning the downsizing.

  so probably someone who has their midweek meeting early in the week will be able to fill in the details.

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  paul from cleveland

  It doesn't matter what happens because anything can be interpreted in a positive way. If Jehovah sees fit to downsize his organization then the preaching work must be complete and the end is imminent.